Whatever we don’t see is not real. Because it’s not perceived. 

Oh, it’s like the forest philosophy story. 

Exactly. Now you get it. 

So trees grow instantly when you see them. Then when you don’t, they’re not there! Since you don’t see them empirically!  

Hmm.. somewhat. 

That’s why we need people watching things. So more things exist at the same time and trees grow. 

Somewhat. I don’t know.

Then I don’t have to go to the forest to make sure climate change doesn’t happen. I watch them so they do their job of converting CO2 to O2.  

Hmm.. you make a good point. 

Let’s look at God then. Or else we won’t exist anymore! 

Maybe. 

But isn't it only about knowing whether it exists or not? I thought that’s what the point was. 

That’s another group. But this is real. I know a guy.

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